Reports say Global Warming is here for real
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Reports say Global Warming is here for real
A recent study has suggested that the trends scientists and the general public are seeing with the nature and climatic conditions are only due to get worse in the coming times. Global warming and the rise in the levels of the ocean are real and would continue to happen irrespective of the steps we take now to prevent it. In simple words, it just might be too late to prevent any permanent damage from happening to our planet Earth.
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) has released the report developed by their team of climate modelers, which says that the climate would continue to get warmer in the coming times irrespective of any measures taken by the governments around the world as early as 2000. The condition is overall so bad that even if no more greenhouse gases are added to the atmosphere from now on, the global averaged surface air temperatures would rise by one degree Fahrenheit and global sea levels would rise another 4 inches from thermal expansion by 2100.
The research team has also warned that low-level areas surrounding the oceans are at extreme danger of getting swallowed by rising sea levels as the time passes by. As per their calculations, the worst-case scenario can be as bad as an average temperature rise of 6.3°F and sea level rise from thermal expansion of 12 inches by 2100. One of the lead authors Gerald Meehl said in a statement: “Even if we stabilize greenhouse gas concentrations, the climate will continue to warm, and there will be proportionately even more sea level rise. The longer we wait, the more climate change we are committed to in the future.â€
Looks like it is definitely the time we think about the damage we are causing to the mother earth…
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March 19th, 2005 at 7:58 am
No red states are at risk, don’t worry about this crazy liberal brief.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:04 am
this has been a cycle in earth’s history, why do the scientists not recognize this?
March 19th, 2005 at 8:15 am
this is hog-wash. these people need to read “State of Fear” by michael crichton.
“liberalism is a mental disorder!”
-michael savage [ http://www.michaelsavage.com ]
March 19th, 2005 at 8:18 am
Gee John, maybe they’re just all morons. Why don’t you give them a call and tell them what’s up, smart guy.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:19 am
on the contrary, state of fear is hogwash. written by a fiction writer, i might add!
March 19th, 2005 at 8:20 am
I shaved ice off my car this morning. Isn’t spring supposed to be warm?
March 19th, 2005 at 8:22 am
Only people who are total idiots are continuing to deny that climate change results are related to human activity. The same illiterate morons that choose to take history and science lessons from only the bible have no valid opinions since they are based upon superstition alone. Climate change is here for the next few centuries and we are so screwed.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:23 am
Oh…Ok…I am sure if we all pray really hard then Jesus will fix it.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:25 am
Our greatest fear should be that the fear-mongers are right. How many hurricanes in one season does it take to convince a conservative that the warming cycle of this planet could be revving into high gear?
March 19th, 2005 at 8:30 am
Gloabl Warming: Greenhouse gasses, in the atmosphere, trap infrared
light from the sun in the earths atmosphere which makes it hotter.
The same greenhouse gas also blocks the exact same ammount of
infrared light from ENTERING the atmosphere. Global warming is a lie.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:31 am
At my place its unusually cold. Leather jackets, coats are all on. Normally it should be cotton clothing. I’m sure we have sown the seeds of distruction for our future generations and are continuing the process.
Don’t make a making gossip of such topics. Its time to be serious guys.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:31 am
Gloabl Warming: Greenhouse gasses, in the atmosphere, trap infrared light from the sun in the earths atmosphere which makes it hotter. The same greenhouse gas also blocks the exact same ammount of infrared light from ENTERING the atmosphere. Global warming is a lie.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:33 am
You know whats funny? Every year the global warming advocates forget
that the sun has periods of high and low activity. They are called
Solor Maximum and Solor Minimum.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:34 am
Global warming is happening. Our country isnt the only contributor to its cause. its cause and effect. people for eons have abused the earth by excessive farming and no birth control. we wont learn. the earth will survive.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:34 am
Uhhh, maybe some have not seen the whole big picture yet. In over half a million years there has never been this high a concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. The last time it came close was (according to fossil record and MANY ice core samples- actual physical evidence) was from around 1350 to 1880. check records not bible.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:35 am
It’s the reaction to studies like this that blow my mind. Jesus save us! Over the next hundred years the water level is going to increas “4 inches from thermal expansion”! that’s like an 8th of an inch every 3 years! How am I ever going to have a happy family when I know that my great great great grandchildren might lose a few square feet of our beach front estate?
March 19th, 2005 at 8:35 am
Cyclical global climate change only causes fractional variances in climate over hundreds of years. We have, in the past century alone, seen an increase of over one degree celsius. This is not natural and the effects of unchecked warming will not be reversable.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:36 am
Well, since humans are responsible for less than 1% of greenhouse gases, maybe if we start to cut them now we can shave about 1/10 of a degree off the future prediction rise. We may bankrupt ourselves in the process, but at least there will be that miniscule amount of temperature savings.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:38 am
Yeah, we have the most greenhouse gasses right now than ever in the
Earths history. Lets forget about the time when active volcanos spewed
massive ammounts of smoke into the sky, and burned everything. Yeah,
cars are worse than volcanos…right?
March 19th, 2005 at 8:40 am
For the record, it is spelled “solar” not “solor”, and the terms you used in the wrong (and obviously uninformed) context have nothing to do with climate. get informed and literate on the subject first before shooting yourself in the foot, dufus.
go stand in a greenhouse on a cold sunny day. it is warmer inside. this is an analogy to the atmospheric effect.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:40 am
Check out the article in the latest Scientific American on the warming effect of human agricultuture over the last 8000 years. The regular cycles of global temps over the last 500,000 years would have produced an ice age a few centuries ago. Humans dampened the cycle. Thank god for global warming.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:41 am
Greenies, blame yourself! If you enviro types wouldn’t have bogarded the nuclear power industry 25+ years ago, we wouldn’t be producing so many greenhouse gases.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:42 am
I think this a vey optimistic senario. I feel the effects of global warming will be felt absolutely by the end of this decade. It will be somewhat like what is show in the movie “The Day after Tommorrow”, absolute disasterous
March 19th, 2005 at 8:43 am
Samson, you are a hypochondriac of global preportions. Scientific evidence in no way supports your premonitions.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:44 am
Oops, I guess misspelling the word solar dissolves everything I did
right with my life and under your authority, labels me as stupid. After
all, you are an expert in all things dumb.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:45 am
While one side states doomsday, the other states that everything is perfectly normal. Of course, as usual, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. Common sense should prevail in knowing at some point we need to take stock, so why not now? If there is better and safer methods available for the environment, we should use it. It may not benefit us, but future generations.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:46 am
sheesh, lets try to get current with real facts and numbers. decades ago it was thought ice ages were thousands of years in duration and took hundreds to come to full effect. we know MORE now. there are mini cold periods that last a few hundred and come on in fifteen years.
trying to blame the gases on termites or cows is foolish when you look at the emissions from hundreds of millions of ooil powered vehicles on the road every single day. yup, its humans.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:46 am
Samson, you’re a moron. The events that took place in ‘The Day After Tomorrow’ would take 10,000 years.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:48 am
Irisrns has a good point. I think we should re-eval nuclear sources of power. Especially since it is now much safer and we might be able to safely upgrade older less stable plants. Beyond that though, why sacrifice economic progress when that very progress will shortly produce many solutions to the problem?
March 19th, 2005 at 8:49 am
Too bad these great minds can’t get tomorrows weather right.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:51 am
Go back to the New York Times in the 70s where it says the ice age is coming. Siting a few short term circumstances doesn’t show anything. This is rediculous. Global warming is much farther away today than it was during the steel era. Cars are made better, factories have been constrained, there are thousands of legal protections on our environment. Yes we should be aware of things, and I agree with Irisrns, that wwe should be aware of the environment, and we are NO WHERE near a doomsday.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:55 am
building nuke plants is like building outhouses without digging a hole… no place to put the shit. we cut down more than half the trees, crapped in our own water, pumped millions of tons of toxic smoke into our air every year, made the mistake of basing our whole energy system on dirty cheap fossil hydrocarbon fuels and then burned the whole supply up in only two hundred years. and to address the issue, yes, having dealt for years with ignoramuses who remain in denial even when confronted with overwhelming amounts of factual and physical evidence (feeling the resemblance?) i am sort of an expert in detecting stupidity like yours.
March 19th, 2005 at 9:00 am
There is overwhealming evidence against Global Warming, you just wan’t to feel your petty superiority over the planet by thinking your capable of destroying it. (Wow, thats a long sentence)
March 19th, 2005 at 9:00 am
So many of the world’s ills, including global warming, are mitigated by local self-sufficiency. Local self-sufficiency minimizes exploitation of people and dependence on destructive industries. We need an interconnected world to exchange information and ideas but not for purposes of exploitation. The people of the world need to unite under a common banner to fight exploitation. Some seek to make all the world addicted to energy-intensive production. They might pander with token gestures but they will later proceed with their destructive habits. Local self-sufficiency protects the people against power plays of all types, especially the unknown future ones. People can start growing yard food, watching less TV, driving less, buying less corporate stuff and start making stuff locally. Only then will corporations respond with cleaner stuff and better behavior. This is the consumer properly exerting market demands. People should educate themselves and others, and participate in local and global governance. An alternative vision written in international law, based on self-sufficiency, self-determination, self-governance and truly free markets driven by consumer demands.
March 19th, 2005 at 9:00 am
Well we did it now. They just would not listen,they still do not think it is a big deal! Worst case scenariois “The day after Tomorrow”. Watch the movie and you will know how bad it really is!!!
March 19th, 2005 at 9:03 am
Ugh! Again with ‘The Day After Tomorrow’. That movie is based on the magnetic poles of the Earth changing. What the movie doesn’t tell you is that it would take 10,000 years!
March 19th, 2005 at 9:04 am
Dan, you’re another global hypochondriac. What do you want us to do? Return to hunting and gathering? I really don’t think that 6 billion people are going to make it without agriculture. Also, there aren’t enough warm places on the planet for all of you suckers to cram into a couple lean-to’s since heaters don’t work so well without power. In defence of nuclear energy, radiation is a fact of life… the sun puts it out, it exists in nature and yet, it can be safely stored at a fraction of the price of it’s creation. The problem currently is shipping it, but we’ll resolve that over the upcomming decades if not years (very very short period of time in reality).
March 19th, 2005 at 9:06 am
i am a permanent sustainable agricultural systems designer and have studied environment and climate change since the seventies. no one should be able to overlook the condition of the northern hemisphere’s receding ice caps and glaciers. this is huge and is not taking hundreds of years, it has taken only a couple decades to lose more than half of their mass. their effect on the atlantic is continually being documented by research institutes with good reputations such as woods hole oceanographic institute. not exactly radicals doing the reporting anymore. and when over sixty nobel prize winners condemn the bush administrations playing down of the facts intelligent people listen, stupid people dont. perhaps the time has come to realize that those guys in the expensive suits in political positions have actually been lying to you all along while they made huge profits selling you the very stuff that will eventually crush a good percentage of our civilization in the next thirty years.
March 19th, 2005 at 9:07 am
Personnaly, I like eBay’s comment on Global Warming from this very same page: “Great deals on Climate Change Shop on eBay and Save!” Now there’s a company that knows what to do about global warming – market it.
March 19th, 2005 at 9:17 am
liOVERLOADil to you i say there is no credible evidence against global warming. you are like the purser on the titanic who keeps telling passengers everything is just find even as the water is closing around your ankles. you are grossly misinformed, and either foolishly or maliciously spreading your warped and false dogma. no intelligent person will listen because anyone who has been out of thier own back yard can see the damage and knows you are full of crap.
to Jon H, on nukes- storage is a problem. every last designing engineer for yucca facility resigned last year because it will not work safely and the govt will not change it. we havent invented materials that will hold the wast for more than a few years at a time.
and radioactive elements are even rarer than oil. get real.
along with that is the fact that not a single new nuke has been constructed in the US in over twenty years because the NRC hasnt been presented with a single safe design. see some photos of chernoble and maybe the core at three mile island to make that hit home. one little tiny mistake and your town is like the ukraine- you dont need a light in the outhouse cuz it glows in the dark!
March 19th, 2005 at 9:36 am
no solutions here just a bunch of crowded rats sydrome types baring thier incisors
March 19th, 2005 at 9:37 am
Damn, this thread is owned. I’d like to say though, before moving on, that I like Mr. Rob Drury’s post. I don’t know that it applies so much to the power industry and global warming, but I definitely support the general message. Grass roots it man.
Also, good catch on the eBay ad! That’s funny!
March 19th, 2005 at 9:41 am
Quoting Hump: “Personaly, I like eBayâ??s comment on Global Warming from this very same page: â??Great deals on Climate Change Shop on eBay and Save!â?? Now thereâ??s a company that knows what to do about global warming – market it.”
ROFL!!! The smartest thing said on this board so far about this particular subject. LOL..
March 19th, 2005 at 9:55 am
for those quoting or promoting �State of Fear� by michael crichton go read “High Tide : The Truth About Our Climate Crisis” by Mark Lynas.
March 19th, 2005 at 9:56 am
Ah man, this post is owned. Only buzzards left.
Nice catch on the Ebay ad Hump.
Preach it grass roots Drury, I agree. Still though, factory made kayaks are better than wooden ones that you can make from a tree.
March 19th, 2005 at 10:01 am
How arrogant are we? Mess up our back garden, but don’t worry lets just move to another neighborhood. Unfortunately the reality of space is limited, and we are just about out. In perspective the earth is around 4.5 billion years old, homo sapiens ( Latin for ” Wise Man” ?) has used a very small portion of that, to screw things up. The planet will recover from our lack of care and be all the better off without us. I liken the analogy to fleas on the back of a dog, without the intelligence to see the big picture, they suck the life out of their benevolent host, then suffer the consequence.
March 19th, 2005 at 10:21 am
Um. Concerned… Although you have a point, you offer very little in the direction of progress here. The situation exists as such; Earth spawned us (or maybe god), gave us creativity and thirst for power, we succeeded overwhelmingly. Now we a situation, which I see as favorable to struggling against extinction. We have limited time (500-10,000 years) to come up with a solution to an environmental problem. At our rate of discovery, this is going to be elementary chemistry by the time we get through the century. Otherwise… the plot of land under my beach house will be reduced by a few inches.
March 19th, 2005 at 10:21 am
you could have put the topic of abortion, religion, or the war in iraq here and gotten the same percentages of for’s and against’s. no one knows definitively if global warming is 100% for real or not. i don’t think it is 10,000 years away, nor do i think it is the day after tomorrow. i do think it is closer than most people think, whether it is just a burp in the overal picture , or a massive extinction coming. either way, i wont be here to watch it unless it happens within 20 years or so. i’m not a young pup like most of you. i sell books for a living and yes i have read state of fear and it is a work of fiction, but mr crichton points to hundreds of footnotes of actual scientific reports and data. not that that in itself is proof, because he states himself in the book that this data can be disected and shown to prove almost anything, even that your mother was on the grassy knoll when president kennedy was shot. :) (a joke added by me) so stand back and take a long look at things, and if you truly beleive in your ideas and opinions regarding this problem facing mankind, stand up and spew off about them. i am sure some good will come of these discussions no matter who is correct. me? i’m gonna have another vino and read something light for now. wear your party pants, life is short.
March 19th, 2005 at 10:22 am
The definition for growth (at least economically) more accepted goes along the lines of something like “Leaving the future generations a better scenario than we have” (more or less). Even if global warming isn’t as serious as put in this article, being rational and the desire to growth and even the christian sanctity of life and reproduction, would guide us to stop global warming. Those who don’t care or do nothing for this with any conceivable excuse, are just hypocrites.
March 19th, 2005 at 10:22 am
For those of you who believe that Nuclear Power is an acceptable long term solution you should realize that at present consumption there will not be enough extractable uranium in the Earth’s crust to even meet the energy needs of California in 70 years or so. I agree that present plans to increase usage of nuclear power should go forward. However, they should go forward only as a temporary stopgap until completely sustainable forms of energy may be developed. As for those who still beleive there is evidence to show that global warming is not real or myth has so boorishly stated, show me (a science fiction novel nor whats happening in your backyard are or should be considered evidence). There is no longer any scientific debate in this subject matter. The only remaining contingent of scientists stating that global warming is not real has conceded and have now joined the rest of the scientific and academic community in proclaiming the need to explore ways of coping with this phenomena. Further, when scientists state that global sea levels may rise an inch or even a fraction of an inch overall they are speaking in terms of averages. A one inch rise in overall sea levels would cover almost all of the world’s coastal cities with water making them wholly and completely unsuitable for human life, meaning the death of billions.
March 19th, 2005 at 10:52 am
I was with you for the first 3/4ths of your comment Mike, but a one inch rise in sea levels will not cover almost all of the world’s coastal cities. Water has a tendency to spread out, dump a glass of water on your kitchen floor if you don’t believe me. An inch is an inch. Houston an Venice might need to increase their water management capacities, but most coastal cities will be alright. Also, just like fossil fuels, what is currently not extractable uranium will be easy access with tomorrow’s tech, don’t worry about that.
March 19th, 2005 at 10:56 am
economic growth
A positive change in the level of production of goods and services by a country over a certain period of time. Nominal growth is defined as economic growth including inflation, while real growth is nominal growth minus inflation. Economic growth is usually brought about by technological innovation and positive external forces.
http://www.investorwords.com/5540/economic_growth.html
March 19th, 2005 at 10:58 am
The global-warming deniers on this page are mindblowingly stupid and scientifically illiterate, as well as being obviously ideologically motivated. I can’t believe the complacency and short-sighted “economy first” halfwit attitudes displayed by so many posters on this page. Michael Crichton knows nothing, he’s a bad fiction writer, while 99% of the scientific community know global warming is for real and realise we must do what we can to reduce its effects.
March 19th, 2005 at 11:17 am
For one, look up a definition before you post it. I have yet to find a definition for economic growth that doesn’t focus on goods and services or GNP. Next, extracteable resources is an inflated term, tomorrow we’ll be able to get to vast pools of oils and uraniums that today are just out of reach. Further, everyone agrees that we need to do something about this problem. I hope we’re all on the same page that human life is the key matter of consequence. Either way, the best solutions will only be arrived at through further scientific progress. This progress is funded by governments and industries. These governments and industries tend to cause pollution. We want to reduce this pollution, yes, but we’re not just going to turn off the switch. I’m not going to put politicians in place that elect to move back to caves… it would just be too crowded.
Finally, an inch rise is an inch rise, dump a glass of water on your kitchen floor and you’ll see, water has a way of evenly distributing itself (like magic). Therefor, an inch rise will not sink most of the world’s coastal cities.
I’m glad to see some liberals jumping back into the pool here. You can tell when they are upset by how frequently they use 4th grade insults in their arguments.
March 19th, 2005 at 11:18 am
Thank you Matt. The amount of ignorance demonstrated by an astounding amount of people here is incredible. Learn the correct facts in their entirety before you form an opinion. You may choose not to believe in global warming, but please don’t tell me, “The same greenhouse (that trap infrared light from the sun in the earths atmosphere) also blocks the exact same ammount of infrared light from ENTERING the atmosphere.”
March 19th, 2005 at 11:25 am
long before global warming ‘gets us”, we will be ruled by a corporate christian fascist police state, so i see this as just subterfuge, distracting us from our orwellian present oil based theocracy…….
March 19th, 2005 at 11:26 am
Denile ain’t just a river in Egypt.
March 19th, 2005 at 11:30 am
Anyone who thinks the BILLIONS of cars and other man made machines SPEWING toxins into the atmoshphere are not having any effect has obviously never been to Mexico city. Humans are the scourge of the Earth, consuming and destroying faster then you can imagine. We are a rampant disease run amok and I can only hope that Nature will strike back with everything she has to wipe us out. The ME ME ME NOW NOW NOW mentality of modern society is going to bring this Planet down hard and fast. You think the USA is bad (which it is), just you wait for CHINA and INDIA to complete their industrialization process. Statistics show that more than 70 percent of China’s rivers and lakes have been polluted. Humans have stepped over the line of nature which has sustained this planet for billions of years. Now we are going to pay for it. It doesn’t matter if Global Warming is man made or not. Its happening, along with thousands of other negative trends. I sincerely hope AIDS, Bird Flu or some other epedimic can take out a huge chunk of the world population. Hurriances, Tidal Waves, bring em all on and take out as many idiots standing there watching as possible.
March 19th, 2005 at 11:34 am
Let’s face it, Americans are the most consumptive people on the planet. We are consuming our grandchildren’s fuel with our SUV’s and lack of concern for carpooling and compact cars. Much of the time I see SUV’s with one person in the vehicle. Now India and China are in the gas sucking race. The oil consumption in the world will double in just a couple of decades. About all people use their SUV’s for is looking cool and curbed median jumping. I’ll bet hydrogen fuel technology will be shelved by Big Oil just like all the other past solutions to the problem.
March 19th, 2005 at 11:36 am
Gloabl Warming: Greenhouse gasses, in the atmosphere, trap infrared
light from the sun in the earths atmosphere which makes it hotter.
The same greenhouse gas also blocks the exact same ammount of
infrared light from ENTERING the atmosphere. Global warming is a lie.
is that so? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect
dont make baseless scientific claims. if its too difficult to read some actual information before spewing out garbage, heres the simple analogy. venus is an extreme version of global warming via greenhouse gasses, where the atmosphere is hyper-rich in CO2 – and the surface melts lead. NOT because it is closer to the sun – because the solar radiation reflected off the planet is trapped in the atmosphere, and also continues to come in due to the (you guessed it!) greenhouse effect, wherein the radiation from earth is reflected from the sun at a different wavelength than it originally entered at, one which is blocked by the same gasses that allowed it to enter before.
March 19th, 2005 at 11:37 am
For one, look up a definition before you post it as such. I have yet to find a definition for economic growth that doesn’t focus on goods and services or GNP. Next, extracteable resources is an inflated term, tomorrow we’ll be able to get to vast pools of oils and uraniums that today are just out of reach. Further, everyone agrees that we need to do _something_ about global warming. I hope we’re all on the same page that human life (including quality of life) is the key matter of consequence. Either way, the best solutions will only be arrived at through further scientific progress. This progress is funded by governments and industries. These governments and industries tend to cause pollution. We want to reduce this pollution, yes, but we’re not just going to turn off the switch. I’m not going to put politicians in place that elect to move back to caves… it would just be too crowded.
An inch rise is an inch rise, dump a glass of water on your kitchen floor and you’ll see, water has a way of evenly distributing itself (like magic). Therefor, an inch rise will not sink most of the world’s coastal cities.
As for I am smart, if you think that simian in the zoo, masturbating in the tree, is a better creature than yourself then you might need some prozac or something.
Finally, A lot of people here are misled on various facts, from an inch of water killing billions to economic definitions straight out of a communist dictionary. This isn’t a one way street, so don’t get too bent out of shape over these things, just point them out and move on.
March 19th, 2005 at 11:38 am
If you think that global warming is nothing but liberal fantasy, you may want to consult the Pentagon’s recent report and the concerns and scenarios they review. If you believe that it is somehow un-Christian to believe that global warming could be a catastophe for the world’s poor, I suggest that you review the latest news of the evengelical community’s new focus on global warming. If you believe that recognition of global warming is somehow anti-business, look to the latest statements from GE, BP and other companies. They recognize that we are heading into dangerous territory. If you are reactionary on the right or left who needs conflict more than solutions, please leave the driving to the rest of us. There’s real work that needs to be done.
Most of us aren’t talking about doomsday or convinced that global warming will bring humanity to its knees. What we are worried about is weather extremes, with flooding, massive human migration, droughts, thaws and other changes that bring people to further wars over food, water, arable land, etc . . We are worried about economic ripples through the markets, and energy cost spikes that leave millions without jobs and lead to further starvation in a world where 800 million already lack the necessary food to survive. If this all sounds to crazy, spend a bit of time with a history book and just look at the famines, wars and human suffering endured in the last century.
Good Night
March 19th, 2005 at 11:38 am
For one, look up a definition before you post it as such. I have yet to find a definition for economic growth that doesn’t focus on goods and services or GNP. Next, extracteable resources is an inflated term, tomorrow we’ll be able to get to vast pools of oils and uraniums that today are just out of reach. Further, everyone agrees that we need to do _something_ about global warming. I hope we’re all on the same page that human life (including quality of life) is the key matter of consequence. Either way, the best solutions will only be arrived at through further scientific progress. This progress is funded by governments and industries. These governments and industries tend to cause pollution. We want to reduce this pollution, yes, but we’re not just going to turn off the switch. I’m not going to put politicians in place that elect to move back to caves… it would just be too crowded.
An inch rise is an inch rise, dump a glass of water on your kitchen floor and you’ll see, water has a way of evenly distributing itself (like magic). Therefor, an inch rise will not sink most of the world’s coastal cities.
As for I am smart, if you think that simian in the zoo, masturbating in the tree, is a better creature than yourself then you might need some prozac or something.
Finally, A lot of people here are misled on various facts, from an inch of water killing billions to economic definitions straight out of a communist dictionary. This isn’t a one way street, so don’t get too bent out of shape over these things, just point them out and move on.
March 19th, 2005 at 11:39 am
For one, look up a definition before you post it as such. I have yet to find a definition for economic growth that doesn’t focus on goods and services or GNP. Next, extracteable resources is an inflated term, tomorrow we’ll be able to get to vast pools of oils and uraniums that today are just out of reach. Further, everyone agrees that we need to do _something_ about global warming. I hope we’re all on the same page that human life (including quality of life) is the key matter of consequence. Either way, the best solutions will only be arrived at through further scientific progress. This progress is funded by governments and industries. These governments and industries tend to cause pollution. We want to reduce this pollution, yes, but we’re not just going to turn off the switch. I’m not going to put politicians in place that elect to move back to caves… it would just be too crowded.
An inch rise is an inch rise, dump a glass of water on your kitchen floor and you’ll see, water has a way of evenly distributing itself (like magic). Therefor, an inch rise will not sink most of the world’s coastal cities.
As for I am smart, if you think that simian in the zoo, masturbating in the tree, is a better creature than yourself then you might need some prozac or something.
Finally, A lot of people here are misled on various facts, from an inch of water killing billions to economic definitions straight out of a communist dictionary. This isn’t a one way street, so don’t get too bent out of shape over these things, just point them out and move on.
March 19th, 2005 at 11:41 am
I have yet to find a definition for economic growth that doesn’t focus on goods and services or GNP. Next, extracteable resources is an inflated term, tomorrow we’ll be able to get to vast pools of oils and uraniums that today are just out of reach. Further, everyone agrees that we need to do _something_ about global warming. I hope we’re all on the same page that human life (including quality of life) is the key matter of consequence. Either way, the best solutions will only be arrived at through further scientific progress. This progress is funded by governments and industries. These governments and industries tend to cause pollution. We want to reduce this pollution, yes, but we’re not just going to turn off the switch. I’m not going to put politicians in place that elect to move back to caves… it would just be too crowded. Also, An inch rise is an inch rise, dump a glass of water on your kitchen floor and you’ll see, water has a way of evenly distributing itself (like magic). Therefor, an inch rise will not sink most of the world’s coastal cities. Finally, A lot of people here are misled on various facts, from an inch of water killing billions to economic definitions straight out of a communist dictionary. This isn’t a one way street, so don’t get too bent out of shape over these things, just point them out and move on.
March 19th, 2005 at 11:41 am
What? Warming? Dude, I was out in the ocean today and it was like “chillin’”. Chillin – get it?
Nah. There is no global warming. But nature’s cool and all that. Hey, without nature, where would the guys get all the stuff they need to build my MP3 player with, eh?
OK, I’m gonn listen to some tunes now ’cause you guys are, like, bumming me out.
peace
March 19th, 2005 at 11:42 am
I have yet to find a definition for economic growth that doesn’t focus on goods and services or GNP. Next, extracteable resources is an inflated term, tomorrow we’ll be able to get to vast pools of oils and uraniums that today are just out of reach. Further, everyone agrees that we need to do _something_ about global warming. I hope we’re all on the same page that human life (including quality of life) is the key matter of consequence. Either way, the best solutions will only be arrived at through further scientific progress. This progress is funded by governments and industries. We want to reduce pollution, yes, but we’re not just going to turn off the switch. I’m not going to put politicians in place that elect to move back to caves… it would just be too crowded. Also, An inch rise is an inch rise, dump a glass of water on your kitchen floor and you’ll see, water has a way of evenly distributing itself. An inch rise will not sink most of the world’s coastal cities. Finally, A lot of people here are misled on various facts, from an inch of water killing billions to economic definitions straight out of a communist dictionary. This isn’t a one way street, so don’t get too bent out of shape over these things, just point them out and move on.
March 19th, 2005 at 11:48 am
lets address the real problem… the world is over populated, mandatory sterilzation after 2 children… want more adolpt.
March 19th, 2005 at 11:48 am
I have yet to find a definition for economic growth that doesn’t focus on goods and services or GNP. Next, extracteable resources is an inflated term, tomorrow we’ll be able to get to vast pools of oils and uraniums that today are just out of reach. Further, everyone agrees that we need to do _something_ about global warming. I hope we’re all on the same page that human life (including quality of life) is the key matter of consequence. Either way, the best solutions will only be arrived at through further scientific progress. This progress is funded by governments and industries. We want to reduce pollution, yes, but we’re not just going to turn off the switch. Finally, A lot of people here (from both sides) are misled on various facts, from an inch rise of sea level killing billions to economic definitions straight out of a communist dictionary. This isn’t a one way street, so don’t get too bent out of shape over these things, just point them out and move on.
March 19th, 2005 at 11:50 am
No one ever said this was an easy planet to live on.
March 19th, 2005 at 12:03 pm
I am smart, clearly you’re a fan of the antagonists in “12 Monkeys”. It’s a shame that you hold more esteem for that simian in the zoo masturbating at you from the tree than you do for yourself. I think you might consider trying something to elevate your overall mood.
March 19th, 2005 at 12:24 pm
I’m sure that ‘humanity’ has caused at least some of the ‘warming’ but anyone who thinks that such fluctuations have not happened prior to our existence on this planet or will not happen during the billions of years of this planets existence that will remain after we’re extinct is just fooling themselves.
March 19th, 2005 at 12:31 pm
What he said! No wait.. what everyone said!
March 19th, 2005 at 12:34 pm
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! And we must go tell the king!!!
March 19th, 2005 at 12:38 pm
question is. who is going to anaylize all of these responses and find a solution to all of the problems addressed. i cannot but someone will try to. problems will not be resolved but maybe somehow worked out.
March 19th, 2005 at 12:55 pm
I find it amazing that scientist think they have discovered the weather patern. After all the earth is only about 5 billion years old so of course the last few thousands of years tell scientist all they need to know. Must be wonderful to be God.
March 19th, 2005 at 12:57 pm
What we see happening is something that’s prophesied in the Bible. The Bible clearly states that “the earth will pass away”. The global warming is a sign that the end is near.
March 19th, 2005 at 1:23 pm
Hey Dan H. Where did you get *your* PhD in atmospheric science? Oh wait.. you don’t have one and don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Isn’t it interesting how people with the least information have the strongest opinions.
March 19th, 2005 at 2:03 pm
The world is warming because the computer models tell us? Does anyone here actually believe a computer model??
Actually the world was hotter way back in 1998 and a lot more carbon dioxide has been put in the atmosphere since then. Don’t tell anyone but it looks like the carbon dioxide ain’t causing any warming.
Think about it! One of the cherished principles of global warming just doesn’t seem to be happening! Heh! Heh!
March 19th, 2005 at 2:12 pm
First I’m no scientist, but I know that animals and insects are first to notice climate changes. I know 30 years ago there were no ticks and chigars in Michagan where I lived,the only time I had to worry about them was when visiting relatives in Kentucky. Now I live in Kentucky and when my relatives in Michagan tell me they have ticks and chigar problems up there now. I beleve its because they just dont have the long hard winters they used have when I lived there 30 years ago. Heck we used to be able to ride snowmobles from thankgiving till spring thaw with out there being a day with out snow on the ground. Now you can’t even count on a white Christmas in Michagan. Back then the moto on the licence plates was “The Winter Wonder Land”. I been hearing from people from states south of Kentucky that Fire ants and Armordillos are gradually moving fother north every year.
ps �The Day After Tomorrow� was about the melting of the polar ice sheets releasing all that fresh water trapped in them into the salty oceans. There by causing a change to the major heat exchangers of the world weather system,the ocean currents.
March 19th, 2005 at 2:15 pm
>long before global warming �gets us’�, we will be ruled by a
>corporate christian fascist police state [...]
Wow, thats a long winded way of saying “Bush administration”.
March 19th, 2005 at 2:17 pm
yea, the red states will be dustbowls.
March 19th, 2005 at 2:23 pm
>The world is warming because the computer models tell us? Does anyone
>here actually believe a computer model??
>Actually the world was hotter way back in 1998 and a lot more carbon >dioxide has been put in the atmosphere since then. Don�t tell anyone >but it looks like the carbon dioxide ain�t causing any warming.
>Think about it! One of the cherished principles of global warming >just doesn�t seem to be happening! Heh! Heh!
>Comment by Snowy � 19th Mar 2005 @ 2:03 pm
Snowy, please forward me your personal scientific study done in 1998, on this matter along with an explanation of how you can use one years data to see long term averages. Also, since you have no faith in computer models, please forward me the chalk board and slide ruler you created yours with.
March 19th, 2005 at 2:52 pm
everyone knows weather forecasters are wrong very often. we’re talking 5 day forecasts. “by the year 2100…..this and that”. uh huh. ANY future predictions of any kind are always different than thought.
March 19th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
We’re all on the Titanic, but we have reasonably good accomodations.
March 19th, 2005 at 3:07 pm
Jon – that 1 inch of water might kill when you consider the storms associated with this additional water & energy. Take the hurricanes in Florida last year. The record rainfall in California this year. Things are happening. Be aware.
njt
March 19th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Can anyone believe that only 4 centuries ago, people believed that the world was flat? And when Galileo came up with the hypothesis that Earth is round, the Christian church very nearly killed him for blasphemy. Knowing that, people who doubt about the greenhouse effects should do some research, or maybe go back to college, before denying the phenomenon of global warming.
By the way SNOWY, the computer models are calculating the effects of an increase in the temperature on Earth. Models don�t tell us that the world is warming ;)
March 19th, 2005 at 3:20 pm
Well I’ve read all the comments after I stumbled on this forum and decided that with this many divided people and opinions, we’re screwed. You can all spew your facts as much as you want. Fact is the empirical evidence is held by the scientists. That�s right scientists. They probably don�t want to report that the Earth is being whored out by corporations and a bible banging White House, but they report the data. Unfortunately it isn�t good news. Now when did the state of our own environment divide us as people? Is anyone familiar with the Ancient Code of Justinian? I hope the Earth collapse on all of us, at least the red states and what a great open minded country we would have it that happened. A disaster is what will open our minds and make us think twice. I feel we deserve it. So find a flaw in my logic whoever you are and publish it, because you are obviously a person of conflict and closed mindedness and feel you must attack me. I just want what a clean place to live and not worry about my water or choking on the air tomorrow. Oh yea and now ANWR, it is a sad state of affairs. Om shanti.
March 19th, 2005 at 4:57 pm
I agree with you, comment number 88…even if you guys don’t believe the world is going to fry surely life would be better if the air was cleaner anyway? If fuel emissions were minimised and alternative, renewable sources of power were established, not only would our quality of life improve but third world countries could develop with the use of cheaper fuels. hug a tree and long live this decreasingly beautiful third rock from the sun that we so under-cherish. Oh and by the way i work on renewable fuel technology and so have to keep an eye on emissions and their effect on biological organisms (its not all about how hot it gets, people…) and the majority of your ‘facts’ and excuses are…in a word…wank.
March 19th, 2005 at 6:08 pm
Type in “Chemtrails” into Google. Weather modification.
March 19th, 2005 at 8:16 pm
For the benifit of man kind; please don’t take snowboarding away from me!
March 19th, 2005 at 9:24 pm
well… i hate cold weather anyway!
March 20th, 2005 at 12:35 pm
short term weather forecasts done by the news are far different than annual data collected by scientists. nobody will tell you with all certainty what will happen tomarrow, however we can make educated guesses. Global warming is a theory, but it is a theory with the majority of the academic community backing it. we may not see major effects in the near future but there will be problems. A rise in sea level in itself is not a problem but when the rise is accompanied by warming water we will see a rapid drop in aquatic life. nutrient rich cold water is an integral part of the marine ecosystem.
March 21st, 2005 at 3:19 am
Perhaps, we’re being punished by God for our misuse of the earth and ecological system, plus the moral breakdown of society.
March 21st, 2005 at 12:07 pm
Life Had survived till now on earth. it will continue to do so in one form or other in the future.Adaptation is Greatest advantage we earthlings have, so not to worry i say what do u say.
March 24th, 2005 at 12:18 am
I’ve read the arguments on both sides. The warming side has oodles of graphs and evidence showing the heating of land/oceans/air etc. collected in multiple ways, showing levels of CO2 in the last however many 000s of years, how much more they’ve gone up now, the exact correlation between Co2 and temperature, glacial melting etc. The other side tends to be either out of date or just refute a few selected green reports on flaws in their reasoning. I get the point about never blindly trust the establishment scientists, but the reason they’ve been established is they tend to be right.
And the difference between weather forecasting and climate forecasting is like the difference between guessing what the next role of the dice will be and knowing that of the next 6000 there’ll be about 1000 sixes.
April 7th, 2005 at 8:58 am
What with this worry even the world may or may not go to global warming, technology in the near future may allow us eliminate this problem. or at least mass reduce this problem out of hand,
Who God eh? If He/She A Creator? How He/She Created eh?
May 13th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
maybe if you wern’t all conservitive aholes you would be more believable. Maybe if you didn’t make stupid comments like “The red states arn’t affected” people would be more likly to read your opinions, i read less hten ten, all said something about liberals being idiots, and that this is stupid. I agree its more likly to be a cycle, slightly affected by us humans, but this “Its not happening” BS is making your entire argument into non-believable, partisan propoganda. Now if more people read non-partisan, unbiased, or even better, LIBERAL (like me) comments about this, citing REAL arguments note simply dissing liberals. Then maybe this argument would be more accepted. Your only causing your own downfall, fools.
June 14th, 2005 at 3:46 am
you idiots, gobal warming is a lie check this out
http://www.americanpolicy.org/un/thereisnoglobal.htm
October 20th, 2005 at 9:09 pm
So, have you all noticed that after 100 posts, the issue has not been solved, in fact i notice that just as much fossil fuel is being used up. Why do people get so mad when they should realize that griping, saying mean things, and posting on a website won’t make a difference. Ironic as i am posting on this same website. Everyone has some sort of fact, and those facts keep contradicting each other. So why don’t we all admit that we don’t know fully what we’re talking about even when we say we do because we only learned what we wanted to. Personally, i would rather side with the party that say pollution doesnt make that much of a difference, because i know our side has already won. Anyone who fears the end of the world should know, that pollution is never going to stop no matter how many angry posts you make, so if your wrong, you look ig-nant, but if you’re right, you’ll die with the rest of us. If you really want to change the issue, at least post what we can do to change (on and individual level, because the people who own big oil companies don’t spend all day on posting sites) instead of just saying we’re all gonna die and getting angry.
(no i’m not a conservative, i don’t vote)
October 25th, 2005 at 10:35 pm
hmmm… this seems interesting. But honestly, not many people care! I will probably be dead by the time this truly is a problem! (16 years) It’s just silly to freak about this, because if global warming is
a) untrue
b) not going to kill us
Then somehing else will, I’m sure! XD Just live life to the fullest, dammit!
October 25th, 2005 at 10:42 pm
@ yur stoopid:
Really? I don’t think it matters on either side, because media can lie, so perhaps everything is neutral? Maybe there are a bunch of mutant toilet monkeys that will kinap us all into the depths of the septic systems! I don’t think i trust the news, or the internet. I’m just goofing off in science. XP
May 8th, 2006 at 6:14 pm
I just spent about a half hour reading all of these posts. Now, I raelize most of these were posted last year, and many of you may not even visit this site any more, but this is what I have to say:
1. Even a teenager can disprove any of the arguments of global warming not being real on this site. In fact, I hestitate to even call them arguments, they are more just rants.
2. People who have said they ‘like warm weather’ check the difference in definitions of Weather and Climate.
3. In the past thousand years we have been able to discover so much because of how fast humanity has been advancing, scientists are not gods, just really smart people who are EDUCATED. Unlike many of you here.
4. Global warming may not be a MASSIVE problem now, but it is a problem. Stop just worrying about yourself, think of the future generations who will have to deal with the effects of global warming once we are gone. Humanity has a major flaw; selfishness, and it ruins us over and over again.
If any of you actually visit this site anymore, I would LOVE to see what you have to say.