Intel having a hard time competing with AMD
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Intel having a hard time competing with AMD
Recent months have seen AMD taking an upper hand over Intel in the chip market. And the latest news is another new indication that Intel is struggling to keep up with the pace they once spearheaded.
As per latest reports, Intel is having a problem with inventory glut. They overestimated demand in the market, which led to more problems with them. They have delayed the launch of newer chips in the market and even had to recall other defective ones.
In the latest news, they told the media that the plans to make a 4GHz version of the very popular Pentium 4 brand have been shelved. This was supposed to be the fastest-ever generation of Intel-based PCs early next year. To make up for the loss, Intel will release chips with lesser processing power but memory instead. That would help increasing the speed of the processor itself.
The move is planned to free up engineers to work on upcoming “dual core” chips, which would have 2 processors instead of one hence making even more faster processing units for the market. The move also symbolizes the fact that companies are now concentrating more on the basic speed and power of the processor rather than just boosts in the MHz and GHz numbers.
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Maybe now the CPU prices can come down to
a more affordable “commodity” price!
AMD is just plain faster. I dont even bother with Intel. AMD is also cheeper (i think).
Intel Changes Tack
Browsing through Google News I found this entry on Tech New and Views.
It seems that Intel is finally marketing that pure clock speed is not the only thing what makes a chip as fast as it can be. This is a big change of tune for them, and it’s goin…
“Intel” Sucks - No big news there. It is the uneducated sheep consumers that are keeping them alive. They are the ones that need to hear this news
The free market is obviously impossible to monopolize. Intel developed this market, they hardly “suck”. What we will get is better and cheaper products. Dual core could be very cool. Thank God the goverment is not involved. We’d be still have 4 bit processors.
“The free market is obviously impossible to monopolize” — Ha ha ha, very funny james. But you’re right the multi-core processors are going to be a very cool thing and will help Intel get back to its near monopoly position, just where it likes it.
Me fail Inglish? That’s unpossible!
Learn English, guys!
AMD has always had the jump on Intel. They figured out that what makes a product better is not the Mz but the quality of the instructions. They have been marketing their products for a long time with a comparison to Intel Mz, always with lower clock speeds and equal performance - and letley with better performance than their Higher clock speed counterparts. However I don’t like the fact Intel is having too many problems either. AMD might take this as a sign to stop their thechnological advances and become what Intel is right now. Long live competition.
For the past 3 years I have sold systems with AMD processors 9 out of 10 times. They are more responsive, cheaper, and although reduced in Mhz to the intel product, perform substantially better. The icing on the cake is the latest 64 bit Athlon, I consider it the greatest CPU of all time. Intel products will soon only be a memory for my systems as I convince more and more clients to go with AMD. Its not hard to do. I show them a Pentium 4 3.4G cpu against an Athlon 64 3400. Game over.
AMD64 4000 just hit the street. Meanwhile, Intel announces it can’t get it up and bails at 3.46 Ghz 32 bit EE. AMD 64 lineup _still_ has headroom, runs faster, cooler, less power, cheaper - what’s not to love? :-)
p.s. Oh,I know - no AMD “blummmmp…blump-blump blump blump-blump!” TV ads.
its all about getting an intoduction to AMD . once you use it you never think of Intel again
Intel doesn’t suck and the “uneducated sheep consumers’ are merely buying what the OEMs’ have until now mainly provided. This is good news. It suggests the microprocessor industry has reached a new stage in its life cycle which can only be good for competition and hopefully prices… but i wouldn;t start suggesting it the “end” for Intel. Hardly.
AMD is going multi-core as well…. something that IBM has been doing for quite some time. I’ve been arguing for multi-core instead of pushing the Ghz for over 4 years now. Chips manufacturers that are releasing multi-core processors in the next 12 months include IBM, AMD and Intel…. yes.. this includes the G5 processor for the Mac as well.
AMD was first to 64-bit, first to dual core. It’s no wonder Intel is falling behind. I’ve been sticking with AMD for over 6 years now, and they’ve NEVER let me down.
Better product, for a cheaper price.
“The free market is obviously impossible to monopolizeâ€
Yeah, that IS funny!!! Tell that to the former owners and
employees crushed by Microsoft’s paranoia of competition.
…Who let in Bill Gates (…or Steve Ballmer)???
It’s about time they didn’t try market CPU’s purely on
the MHz number factor. For anyone that doesn’t know…
A 2GHz CPU does not make a computer twice as fast as
a 1GHz CPU.
Doubling the CPU speed equates to MAYBE about 30-40
percent noticeable performance increase.
It’s about time they start using what performance mesurement
standards people have been using for years… BENCHMARK!!!
“AMD was first to 64-bit, first to dual core” hello… ever heard of the G5?
btw, intel still hands AMD its arse on a plate when it comes to multitasking and video/photo editing… you know, the kind of stuff that people do more often than playing games…
2dad
Yep, most people don’t play games but they do video (photo? lmao) editing…
And, yes, the difference between 1 hour 10 minutes with intel vs 1 hour 22 minutes with chipo AMD, does matter.
Mummy,i want an Amd processor!!
“AMD was first to 64-bit, first to dual core. It’s no wonder Intel is falling behind.
Comment by G Chapman — 17th Oct 2004 @ 2:52 pm”
Is that so? hardly… Intel has been with ‘true’ 64bit CPU for quite more time than AMD it’s called Itanium!
Another thing, Intel already _have_ an AMD64 equivalent, it’s called Xeon EMT64, your “AMD64″ is nothing more than 64bit Memory Extentions, they call it AMD64, Intel calls it EMT64. Simple as that.
Second, as much as it can hurt AMD fans, Intel is the market, Intel is the industry, AMD is merely a competition. I don’t see any near future of AMD becoming what Intel is in the next 10 years… hardly.
“AMD was first to 64-bit, first to dual core†hello… ever heard of the G5?
-Wrong AMD was first!
Intel might be losing share in the Desktop market to AMD. However they still own the Server market share. Which says a lot on its own.
AMD is cheaper, and for some applications works faster. But for audio editing/recording and for video capture/rendering/editing, Intel still outperforms hands down. I work in a recording studio and some of our comp’s are Intel and some are AMD, and I’ve always been impressed with Intel. Some of our AMD computers had severe heat issues too.
get a life people… if the processor does what you need it too who cares who was first
I guess none of you ever heard about the first 64 bit processor by DEC called Alpha that was manufuctured in the early 90s through to the early part of this century by Compaq/HP.
G Chapman -
Another thing, Intel already _have_ an AMD64 equivalent, it’s called Xeon EMT64, your “AMD64″ is nothing more than 64bit Memory Extentions, they call it AMD64, Intel calls it EMT64. Simple as that.
Actually, you have it backwards. Your EMT64 is nothing more than Intel using the AMD64 instruction set. AMD developed it, Intel followed.
And as for your claim about Itanium, Itanium is not a desktop processor is it? If we really want to get technical. There were 64bit processors before the Itanium. For desktop PCs capable of running mainstream applications, AMD, not PowerPC, not Intel, AMD was first. That’s the historical fact of the matter.
craig barret should be held responsible for intel’s woes. all these missteps have been brewing for several quarters. time for him to go. i wonder when the board will kick him out? whats taking them so long??
Is anyone able to confirm the fact that Intel has a tracking device configured in each chip?
I’ll stick to AMD. And so will my big brother.
AMD from the beggining were at the mercy of compatibility issues and they limited themselves in creativity, etc. Now they are hand in dand with Intel and definitely they are the best!. As per the Intel Inside logo, mmm…
My company is a very large reseller in North America and we have stopped selling Intel 4 years ago and have been very successful with our “AMD Only” policy.
The reasons for this decision ? :
- Intel is a full backer of fascist Israel. Boycotting Intel means acting against fascism for a better world.
- Intel has double-crossed and lied to its user base for years as a result of their power (changing sockets on every cpu release is but one example)
- AMD destroyed a monopoly. Monopolies are insane, unhealthy and lead to dangerous situations.
regards
melkiades
I use an AMD 64 3000+ and find it better and find it faster then any intel i’ve ever used. Intel just isn’t keeping up with the market.
I agree dual-processors will be excellent - but just remember that, just like for 64-bit processors at present the software has to be able to take advantage of the hardware.
Once we’re fully 64-bit, with dual processors, and software that supports it - then we can cheer.
Its the old adage of turning theory into practicality.
“Actually, you have it backwards. Your EMT64 is nothing more than Intel using the AMD64 instruction set. AMD developed it, Intel followed”
And now that we’re speaking technical, neither EMT64 or AMD64 are _true_ 64bit processor, they just have 64bit memory extentions.
No shit sherlock? - I never said Intel was first in the 64bit… I clearly stated that Intel had an equivalent to the AMD64, *EMT64*
I am amazed by all the brand loyalty here. I suppose you guys all bought a particular brand of car and swear by that company too eh?
El Guapo got it right: “get a life people”. If you’re going to exclaim the merits of the chip manufacturers then why don’t you get them to pay you something for it? Otherwise you’re just blowing hot air and bolstering the corporation while they’re laughing all the way to the bank.
I’m sure some of you can be a little more creative and forget about who’s winning the processor race once in awhile.
I’ve used both. I’ve also owned a dozen different brands of automobiles. Yeah Chevys are great. So are old Plymouths, and Fiat Spiders, and Triumphs, and Mazdas, and German Fords, etc. etc. All companies produce lemons. That’s life in an imperfect world. It is more model dependant than brand dependant.
None of you have girlfriends do you?
Ed is my boyfriend!!
Please check out this review of the new AMD chips. It looks to me like the top of the line AMDs take the top of the line Intels in most benches including audio/video encoding and photoediting. I highly reccoment Anandtech, HardOCP or Tomshardware for hardware reviews. HardOCP
Wow, no wonder the world is going to hell. It’s amazing how singleminded people can be to prove that they are right and/or the best (at least in thier own minds). Sounds almost like a religious conflict - all it takes is a little media instigation, and off you all go denouncing everyone else! I came to read the article, but was amused by most of your stubborn block-headedness. Get a life, tune the egos down.
Intel should have concentrated on marketing the Pentium M processor effectively i.e use it in desktops as well. It is a much better processor that P4 in all respects. Instead they went for “Centrino” term which has confused people. e.g I was confused between “Celeron” and “Centrino”. I would have been simpler to advertise Pentium M.
Actually if any of you were thinking people you would realize that you should just get the best processor all things considered (price performance et cetra) and it doesn’t matter who made the damn thing. Reading this is actually funny. All of you people arguing over which brand is better, why don’t you just buy which ever product is better?
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There are lots of fast processors out there being used by slow people.
Software rules.
whichever brand you are sucking up to, keep an open mind. the point of “competition” is that you can switch to whoever is best, whenever they are best. becoming a slave to a name is the best way to screw true competition.
and while we’re at it - intel or AMD, i bet not 1 per cent of you even begin to use the full capability of those processors, which makes this hole debate a wank, kind of “my car can go faster than yours… if it wasn’t for the speed limits”
We run our Oracle databases on Dual Processor 200Mhz Pentium Pros. Doesn’t seem to slow our business down, still making a profit. Since my 400Mhz P III is still faster than my 100bT NIC, it seems to keep up with the web.
Intel’s inventory glut has nothing to do with AMD. It has to do with customer needs being translated in to customer purchases. Sun has some nice new fast boxes too, and we ain’t buyin any of them either. If I need a Solaris box, I can still get it cheap on eBay.
Interesting and healthy debate here! AMD is better right now… but how long will it last? It seems AMD and Intel struggle back and forth and luckily it is the consumer who benefits when each one stumbles. If I had to buy a chip today I would be hard pressed to decide between an AMD 64 3200+ and a Intel P4 550 3.4GHz Socket 775.
If you sat the two side by side and ran numerous test I believe that they would pretty much tie each other. For $10 more and being a sheep who likes what he is used to, I would feel safer with Intel.
AMD rocks…cheap and reliable.
My dady is stronger then your dady! GROW UP, post some facts! IBM is the shiznit!!!
Jill - Who jerked the string on your tampon?
Intel has top notch engineers and with their focus on the duel processing, suspect they’ll give AMD a run for their money (literally). It must be added that Intel production capacity far exceeds the competition.
AMD’s daddy can beat up Intel’s daddy
blah blah blah blah,
Intel has been spanking AMD for 20 years.
Re # 29
What the hell has stupid remarks of such an ignorant arab doing in a technical discussion.
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Sure would be nice when we get an operating system that takes advantage of 64 bit bandwidth. Some apps. would be nice to see too.
Dont forget that AMD is more supsucptable to spyware than Intel is. Also, AMDs processors are for democrats.
Lol, you can yell all you want, but you have to remember WHY AMD was created, remember that IBM had the deal with Intel years ago, but as backup, in case Intel flopped, IBM made them GIVE their design idea’s TO AMD (this of course was years ago, before the pentium), so that if Intel went under, IBM could still make computers.
So, AMD is Intel’s baby, but guess what both have made consederable leaps in chips, but I would have to say, that AMD has outgrown its daddy (”Who’s your daddy?” Yankee stadium), and they simply make better chips, and cheeper chips.
People think Intel is better cause they have never HEARD of AMD, they simply have the freeken “intel inside” commercails stuck in their head, marketing wise, Intel won, but if you look at preformance, and durabilty, along with price, AMD rocks the compitiion.
Thanks,
Guthrie
Captain, the Klingons have damaged the Impulse Engines and the Warp Drive. The CPU manufacturer used flaky NMOS technology and the Klingons fried us with one photon torpedo!
Its like when IBM had the better systems out there and they didn’t compete well. It’s all in the marketing… Those goddamned Intel commercials, even my mother won’t buy a computer that doesn’t have that logo on it and she can’t even say why. It’s because of those stupid commercials.
AMD is better bang for the buck. Not saying it’s a better proc although it might be, I don’t care.
Itanium Centrino Celeron Xeon blah blah blah… just make a friggin proc and tell us how it performs in a useful way.
I have owned only AMD since the K5. I have always cheered for the small guy. I believe this is showing I will have a dilemma in this regard, & possibly soon.
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